Getting to fourth generation – Jeff Sundell [podcast]

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Five years ago Jeff Sundell (above) set out to see if the principles and practices of church planting movements could be applied in the US. For the first time since he began that journey, Jeff is seeing third and fourth generations of new disciples, groups and churches across a variety of locations and people groups.

In the second of a two-part interview Jeff Sundell talks to Steve about what it takes to get to four generations of new disciples, groups and churches.

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From church to movement – Jeff Sundell [podcast]

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Five years ago Jeff Sundell (above) set out to see if the principles and practices of church planting movements could be applied in the US. For the first time since he began that journey, Jeff is seeing third and fourth generations of new disciples, groups and churches across a variety of locations and people groups.

In the first of a two-part interview Jeff Sundell talks to Steve about mobilising existing believers and churches to multiply disciples and reach new communities.

Next: Getting to four generations.

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David Garrison talks about A Wind in the House of Islam

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David Garrison, author of Wind in the House of Islam, talks about how Muslims around the world are discovering Jesus.
 
I recorded a longer interview with David for the Movements podcast.
 
Thanks to reader Tim for the heads up.

Lesson #7. They multiplied workers

The seventh and last lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #7. They multiplied workers

Once the change was locked in at Lighthouse, Broodryk re-engineered his contribution as a movement catalyst. He passed responsibility for introducing disciple making movements throughout Cape Town to Snyman. Snyman became the movement catalyst for Cape Town, through his leadership of Lighthouse and his training and mentoring of other church leaders. Broodryk had helped him catch a vision for reaching his city — a vision that was greater than the ministry of any one church.

Lesson #6. They built momentum

The sixth lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #6. They built momentum

Turning a church of 3-4,000 people around takes time and time erodes vision. To build momentum vision had to be validated by action. Snyman and his teams gathered stories of people who were far from God becoming disciples of Jesus. This kept everyone motivated during the long haul of transition.

People could buy in at their level of readiness and availability. Not everyone accepted the new direction. Not everyone was ready to go into the community and make disciples. But Snyman was determined not to generate opposition and division by expecting everyone to come on board at the same pace and level of commitment.

Lastly, Lesson #7. They multiplied workers

Dave’s blog and Big Splash

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If you enjoyed my interview with Dave Lawton you’ll be glad to hear he is back to blogging. He knows a thing or two about disciple making movements.

His tribe, Praxeis, is holding a Big Splash in Melbourne in November. Highly recommended.

Lesson #5. They harnessed the radicals.

The second lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #5. They harnessed the radicals.

Once they identified the radicals and early adopters, they began building teams to fuel implementation and bring others on board. Some of the radicals were staff members, many were not. What mattered is that these people has demonstrated by their actions that they would make disciples.

These teams became the engine-room for change. Teams reached people who Lighthouse would never reach. They gathered to report progress, lessons learned, and identify obstacles and how to overcome them. They trained and mobilised others.

Next: Lesson #6. They built momentum

Lesson #4. They widened the circle and narrowed the focus

The fourth lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #4. They widened the circle and narrowed the focus

Formal and informal leaders bought in. Awareness in the church spread. Broodryk then launched a third training for the whole church. The training focused on a vision for disciple making movements and the skills required to immediately begin making it happen. People were invited and challenged, but they were not compelled. There was never an expectation that everybody would immediately jump on board.

Instead, the purpose of the training was two-fold. First, orient everybody to disciple making movements and give them the skills to get started. Second, identify those who immediately began applying what they had learned. Who was out doing Discovery Bible Studies, forming groups and making disciples?

Next: Lesson #5. They harnessed the radicals.

Lesson #3. They built a coalition

The third lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #3. They built a coalition

These two men would not have got very far on their own. They began by immediately including and winning over key leaders in the church. Broodryk’s first two trainings were done for church staff, elders and key volunteer leaders.

Snyman began to spread the values of disciple making movements throughout the life of the church through every channel of communication. He demonstrated how disciple making movements were constant with God’s purposes for the church. He gave people time to walk the same journey he had been on.

Next: Lesson #4. They widened the circle and narrowed the focus

Lesson #2. They formed a partnership

The second lesson on how to help an existing church fuel disciple making movements.

For the background you’ll need to listen to my interview with David Broodryk.

Lesson #2. They formed a partnership

For Lighthouse to change, Snyman needed to experience a transformation in how he understood ministry. God used Broodryk to mentor him through that transition. Snyman was crucial because he had the authority to lead the church through change, and eventually bring leaders of other churches with him. He had the authority of his position as the leader of a large church. More importantly, he had relational and spiritual authority to the implement the change. Broodryk depended on Snyman’s authority. Snyman relied on Broodryk to provide the training and mentoring in disciple making movements.

Next: Lesson #3. They built a coalition