Comments on: Garrison http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html The companion website to the new book by Steve Addison Sun, 05 Feb 2012 03:33:46 +1100 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David Garrison podcast » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-71760 David Garrison podcast » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 27 Aug 2007 00:13:26 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-71760 [...] the topic “Church Planting Movements” (CPMs) and the name David Garrison dominates the results. For good [...] [...] the topic “Church Planting Movements” (CPMs) and the name David Garrison dominates the results. For good [...]

]]> By: The wisdom of Barney » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-589 The wisdom of Barney » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:48:00 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-589 [...] Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...] [...] Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...]

]]> By: Jenkins on Why? » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-389 Jenkins on Why? » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Fri, 24 Feb 2006 01:12:33 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-389 [...] Historian, Philip Jenkins on Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? Christianity is flourishing wonderfully among the poor and persecuted, while it atrophies among the rich and secure…. The distribution of modern Christians might well show that the religion does succeed best when it takes very seriously the profound pessimism about the secular world that characterizes the New Testament. If it is not exactly a faith based on the experience of poverty and persecution, then at least it regards these things as normal and expected elements of life. That view is not derived from complex theological reasoning, but is rather a lesson drawn from lived experience. Christianity certainly can succeed in other settings, even amid peace and prosperity, but perhaps it does become harder, as hard as passing through the eye of a needle.“The Next Christendom : The Coming of Global Christianity ” (Philip Jenkins), 220. [...] [...] Historian, Philip Jenkins on Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? Christianity is flourishing wonderfully among the poor and persecuted, while it atrophies among the rich and secure…. The distribution of modern Christians might well show that the religion does succeed best when it takes very seriously the profound pessimism about the secular world that characterizes the New Testament. If it is not exactly a faith based on the experience of poverty and persecution, then at least it regards these things as normal and expected elements of life. That view is not derived from complex theological reasoning, but is rather a lesson drawn from lived experience. Christianity certainly can succeed in other settings, even amid peace and prosperity, but perhaps it does become harder, as hard as passing through the eye of a needle.“The Next Christendom : The Coming of Global Christianity ” (Philip Jenkins), 220. [...]

]]> By: Alan Hirsch » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-365 Alan Hirsch » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:54:12 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-365 [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...] [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...]

]]> By: 20 things to do when you’re not multiplying churches » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-359 20 things to do when you’re not multiplying churches » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 13 Feb 2006 10:04:13 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-359 [...] We’ve had some good input lately on why we’re not seeing church planting movement in the developing world to the same degree we’re seeing in the global south. If that’s the case we need to find something to do while nothing’s happening. [...] [...] We’ve had some good input lately on why we’re not seeing church planting movement in the developing world to the same degree we’re seeing in the global south. If that’s the case we need to find something to do while nothing’s happening. [...]

]]> By: Brian Hogan » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-358 Brian Hogan » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:59:56 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-358 [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? I believe that one part of the equation is that in almost every case they are starting fresh – among the unreached. Our hide-bound traditional church cultures are a very real impediment to seeing God do a brand-new thing. We want revival of our existing structures, not whole new somethings popping out of the ground like mushrooms in the forest. We want, in essence, new wine in these old wineskins. And Jesus told us that he doesn’t do that and that we shouldn’t either. [...] [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? I believe that one part of the equation is that in almost every case they are starting fresh – among the unreached. Our hide-bound traditional church cultures are a very real impediment to seeing God do a brand-new thing. We want revival of our existing structures, not whole new somethings popping out of the ground like mushrooms in the forest. We want, in essence, new wine in these old wineskins. And Jesus told us that he doesn’t do that and that we shouldn’t either. [...]

]]> By: stew http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-357 stew Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:25:58 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-357 steve, thanks for the post about Church Planting Movements. I just read that book as well, and there are just some amazing stories of God's unfettered work around the world. I especially appreciated the story of John Chen, the church planter in China. I've been keeping up with the question you posed and the answers that have been rolling in. Thanks for keeping me posted... steve,

thanks for the post about Church Planting Movements. I just read that book as well, and there are just some amazing stories of God’s unfettered work around the world. I especially appreciated the story of John Chen, the church planter in China.

I’ve been keeping up with the question you posed and the answers that have been rolling in. Thanks for keeping me posted…

]]> By: Sam Metcalf » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-355 Sam Metcalf » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:21:37 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-355 [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? This just came in from Sam Metcalf: UnderTheIceberg [...] [...] Series: Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? This just came in from Sam Metcalf: UnderTheIceberg [...]

]]> By: Manfred Rusner » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-353 Manfred Rusner » Steve Addison’s blog » World Changers Wed, 08 Feb 2006 21:35:16 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-353 [...] Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...] [...] Why don’t we see dynamic church planting movements in the West of the same magnitude that we are see in many parts of the developing world? [...]

]]> By: Ray http://www.movements.net/2006/02/06/garrison.html/comment-page-1#comment-348 Ray Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:22:40 +0000 http://www.steveaddison.net/2006/02/09/garrison.html#comment-348 Hi Steve, thanks for the quotes. I've long pondered your question, In my context, I see some of the main hinderances as; 1. Complacency: It's the sub conscious belief that there are already enough churches and that the lost are already being reached. It's a form of unbelief that lacks urgency and turns a blind eye to the mission field on our door step. 2. Expectations. There is the growing expectation that really good churches provide all kinds of ministries and services; wonderful worship, children's, youth, men's, women's etc etc. The goal then is to get big and the focus shifts from mission to maintaining the increasing complexity of the organisation. Planting is simply squeezed off the agenda. Add to this the inability to envision church without a church building and full time pastor and things do not go well for a movement multiplying churches. 3. Cultural. In our setting we have not inherited a history of mission and therefore have no missional past on which to build a missional future. So much for the problem. That's the easy bit. How to change it, now that's not so easy. The idea about the DNA of the first church speaks volumes to me, and it seems to me the future is in a few new 'first churches' to initiate a new direction. However, the general evangelical trend toward big and complex is becoming a difficult tide to resist in our consumer driven world. Why go small, when you can have it all? There you go. Now I'll just 'Say it!' Hi Steve, thanks for the quotes. I’ve long pondered your question, In my context, I see some of the main hinderances as;
1. Complacency: It’s the sub conscious belief that there are already enough churches and that the lost are already being reached. It’s a form of unbelief that lacks urgency and turns a blind eye to the mission field on our door step.
2. Expectations. There is the growing expectation that really good churches provide all kinds of ministries and services; wonderful worship, children’s, youth, men’s, women’s etc etc. The goal then is to get big and the focus shifts from mission to maintaining the increasing complexity of the organisation. Planting is simply squeezed off the agenda. Add to this the inability to envision church without a church building and full time pastor and things do not go well for a movement multiplying churches.
3. Cultural. In our setting we have not inherited a history of mission and therefore have no missional past on which to build a missional future.
So much for the problem. That’s the easy bit. How to change it, now that’s not so easy.
The idea about the DNA of the first church speaks volumes to me, and it seems to me the future is in a few new ‘first churches’ to initiate a new direction.
However, the general evangelical trend toward big and complex is becoming a difficult tide to resist in our consumer driven world. Why go small, when you can have it all?
There you go. Now I’ll just ‘Say it!’

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